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28 May 2006 @ 04:48 pm
2.3: School Hard  
Cordelia: You're starting to look a little slagged. What, are you just skipping foundation entirely now?
Buffy: Cordelia, I have at least three lives to contend with, none of which really mesh. It's kind of like oil and water and a... third unmeshable thing.
Cordelia: Yeah, and I can see the oil.


Prompts and questions are there to spark discussion. If they're useful or interesting to you, go ahead and respond to any aspect of them. But please feel free to bring up anything else that interests you, as long as it somehow relates to the episode under discussion.


2.3: School Hard
Writer: David Greenwalt
Director: John T. Kretchmer
U.S. Airdate: September 29, 1997



1. Angel & Spike
Spike: You think you can fool me?! You were my sire, man! You were my... Yoda!
Angel: Things change.
Spike: Not us! Not demons!

Given all that we know about Spike and Angel's relationship now, it's fascinating to consider what we have to go on from this episode, the type of assessment we would make based only on what happens in "School Hard". What are some of the assumptions Spike and Angel seem to make about one another? What are the reactions of the other characters to them in relation to each other (i.e., how does knowing about Spike change any attitudes about Angel?). How well are these episode-specific conclusions and assumptions borne out later?


2. New Vampires in Town
Spike: From now on, we're gonna have a little less ritual...and a little more fun around here.
Dru and Spike arrive in Sunnydale in "School Hard", and pretty much turn our expectations about vampires and villains on their heads. What are some of the most evident departures from other vampiric behaviors and appearances that we see? How do Spike and Drusilla demarcate themselves from other vampires -- what are the new defining moments, issues, activities? How is the show beginning to redefine villainy?


3. Mother/Daughter Relationship
Joyce: But we moved once because of you getting in trouble. And I had to start a new business, not to mention a new life in a whole new town.
Buffy: And you don't wanna do it again.
Joyce: What I don't want is to be disappointed in you again.

Buffy's relationship to Joyce, and Joyce's integration into the world of Buffy's high-school and slaying life, are central to this episode. What developments to the relationship occur during the course of "School Hard"? What more do we learn about Joyce that we didn't know before now? To what extent is the viewer sympathetic to Buffy? To Joyce? How do the adults' take on crisis differ from the students', and how do Buffy and Joyce influence their separate spheres during the vampiric siege of Sunnydale High?


Other potential topics for discussion: when does Spike realize Angel has his soul; Dru's psychic skills (also potentially in comparison to Buffy's); Spike as impatient and bored versus Spike as "thorough and goal-oriented"; the closed-set action of the middle act (all on school grounds); resemblances to Die Hard; the debate on Spike's sire; siring Shelia


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your royal pie-ness: spike punk boi (shagalote)entrenous88 on May 30th, 2006 08:28 pm (UTC)
Really? To me those are very adverserial traits. Being thorough and goal oriented implies you follow something through to the end, not that you get bored and change your plans when you become impatient.

I think here the difference is in how Angel sees Spike -- and perhaps a bit of projection -- and how Spike sees himself.

When Angel describes Spike? Hey, that actually sounds a lot more like Angelus, who takes time to really follow through (stalking victims, deciminating entire families, torturing and targeting his objects of interest).
buffysvampirebuffysvampire on May 30th, 2006 09:38 pm (UTC)
not that you get bored and change your plans when you become impatient.
loooooooooool
the first image that popped up into my mind was:
Spike getting bored of killing the slayer change his plans and become her lover!
*lmao*

But did he really always changes his plans? Ok, he just got bored of waiting for saturday and being as impatient as Spike is he just couldn't wait but I think that even if he isn't goal oriented in bagatells, isn't he consequent in his wish to kill the slayer.
your royal pie-ness: XanderEntre (xmirax)entrenous88 on May 30th, 2006 11:58 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean.

But I think we're going to have to just disagree here.
JG: BX by dothestarswyoujgracio on May 31st, 2006 07:36 pm (UTC)
I see Spike as being thorough and goal oriented when it's for something like helping Dru, making her well again, or finding the Gem of Amara, possibly "accidentally" killing the people that could remove Angel's soul, stuff that matters to him.

But not when it comes to the moustache twirling, uber villain thing. He's in it for a good spot of violence, killing the Slayer, making people suffer, all that, that's Angelus job, Spike just wants to beat people up (and kill them, yeah), have some fun.